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Joyce Murray and her supporters can’t be ignored with a good vote result

A nice article by Tim Harper on Liberal Leadership candidate Joyce Murray can be found here. There seems to be a growing impression Ms. Murray will do well in voting in the Liberal leadership race (relatively speaking, considering how many supporters Justin Trudeau has signed up).

Now, I’ll say again that I’m still neutral on what candidate I’d vote for (and I do have a vote, as I registered awhile back), and quite frankly, I’m not in total agreement with Ms. Murray on electoral reform, specifically that we should be trying to push proportional representation. It’s good in principle, but I think that Canadians have shown they have no appetite for that type of voting system. I have long stated that Alternative Voting (AV) or ranked balloting is what should be tried, as it’s the least scary option for voting reform and has a better chance of passing muster.

That said, if Ms. Murray does well in the voting and comes second to Justin Trudeau (even a distant 2nd), that placement for her cannot or should not be brushed away or ignored by the Liberal Party, just because some of the establishment don’t like her idea for one time electoral cooperation. Why alienate a large segement of supporters/party members that do support that, or a form of it?

Polls have been better of late, but an election is a couple of years away yet, and the Liberals can ill afford to alienate too many new supporters that they’ll be counting on for support, both financial and at the ballot box.


5 comments to Joyce Murray and her supporters can’t be ignored with a good vote result

  • While I seriously doubt that Joyce will come close to Trudeau, it should be remembered that turnout will definitely be low. Surprisingly low for those used to conventional (Pun intended) Leadership contests. The Supporter category will likely have about 10%-15% turnout. Joyce’s supporters will almost certainly vote in much larger proportions. That lesson should be well learned by the Liberal Party, democratic reform is capable of mobilising large numbers of people. I would bet that fully a third of Green Party supporters (and I mean the small core of die-hards) will bail to the Liberals if there were a serious prospect of the LPC enacting prop rep, or even preferential ballots. There will be a lot of non-voters motivated, as well as dippers. Heck, even a small, but significant slice of Reformer types would vote Liberal if they thought it would mean serious democratic reform. This issue could be to the Liberals what the long-gun registry was to the CPC. I bet that working this issue hard for the next two years would garner a full 3% of the electorate that would otherwise not vote, or vote elsewhere.

  • Jam

    Truthfully, I find some of her supporters pushy and annoying (moreso then the other candidates) but I like Murray herself. If she can show strong (and I think she will… probably second to Trudeau, her supporters seem more passionate and likely to show then Garneau) then I think she has a bright outlook for the near future.

    My “gut” feeling is that she ends up this campaigns Martha Hall-Findley, i.e. not come close to winning but get’s the most positive raise in profile.

  • Scott, as an aside, have you considered using Disqus for your comments? Your posts are well worth spreading more widely, and Disqus encourages this by giving readers a way to see not only the comments made on your posts, but who is commenting, and – through the Community tab – a way to trace the past comments of your commentators. It is a worthwhile contribution to better blogging.

  • Scott, Joyce Murray favours proportional representation, but her proposal for post-election electoral reform does not push PR. Instead, she proposes something much better for all Canadians – a Royal Commission to examine alternative voting systems (which would include FPTP, proportional representation systems – there are a few major models, preferential voting systems and alternative voting systems. I assume the Commission would tour Canada, with open hearings where Canadians and invited specialists (including politicians in countries with various systems) could appear and speak and present evidence. I also assume the Commission would then propose a process for Canadians to choose which system they want to apply.

  • cho

    I don’t like Murray’s negative tone, for example, implying Garneau and Trudeau don’t understand the issues rather than simply stating why she thinks her own position is superior. And I don’t like her position on pre-election removal of some candidates. But that is neither here nor there as far as what votes for her mean.

    On the topic of votes, I would point out that more than any other candidate, Joyce had lobbying efforts from so-called ‘non-partisan’ groups – I received some of their emails myself. Some of the emails I received did not point out that one could not be a member of another party. Given the tone of these letters, I would expect Murray to have more supporters of other parties among her votes, although there is no way of determining that.

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