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The CAPP group’s amount of supporters now greater then the National Post’s circulation.

The numbers are give or take of course, but the Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament Facebook group now as of this writing is at 171 084 supporters. The National Post’s national circulation is estimated to be at around 170 000 – the same National Post whose editorial page and op-ed writers scorned the group as being any indication of a grassroots movement a week and a bit ago. (A better indicator of things is that Stephen Taylor, Blogging Tory headman, and anti-coalition Facebook organizer from 2008 – has recently gone on the offensive in the NP’s full comment page against the Liberals stance and past usage of prorogation. That’s an indicator to me he’s now taking this issue and indirectly the grassroots strength of this group a lot more seriously and as a threat to the Conservative government, even if he still wont openly admit it’s a legitimate sign of grassroots protest).

On another note, the national Post’s Facebook page stands at around 700, last I looked. Take from that what you will.


8 comments to The CAPP group’s amount of supporters now greater then the National Post’s circulation.

  • Anon ABC

    Is someone actually bringing along a petition for the people attending the rallies to sign?

  • bull caller

    Hit the nail on the head. I find that when you bring up the Conservative party’s fascist activity (and evidence is readily available for any of the indicators of a Fascist regime) – for conservative apologists the usual reaction is faux outrage. “how dare you compare harper to hitler” — uh.. but I didn’t mention hitler. “harper doesn’t have the army in the streets”…etc. etc.., rather than a rational conversation as to whether or not by modern definition Harper is moving towards a fascist leaning method of operating the country. Not “Nazi” fascism, which is immediately where their small minds go. Furthermore, fascism as we see it now, in the 21st century, not in comparison to a regime 70 years ago that they can easily dismiss. Don’t let your con friends take that road because it is clearly an ‘easy out’ for them and it dodges the real question about the conservative government’s behaviour by the actual earmarks of a fascist regime – or the movement incrementally towards a fascist regime.

    Ultmately look at Harper’s base, which is in his home province of Alberta. After living there for many years its quite apparent he would like to see “Alberta-style” democracy in the nation, which is a powerful and corporately connected conservative regime, and a neutered, irrelevant opposition that is merely there for show. No wonder Albertans love him, they *crave* that sort of “democracy”….

    Sad, but true. Not to say there were many to want better for Alberta, and I sincerely hope they become more vocal about it.

  • Brammer

    “…one part of a much larger narrative which basically shows contempt for foundations of democracy…”

    The neocon creed: Smaller government, good. No government, better

  • Brian Finch

    What bugs me with the use of the dismissive term “Slactivism” is that what if this were a petition with every signature on paper firmly planted on top of Harper’s desk. It takes only slightly more effort to write my name on a piece of paper.

    What prorogation (A shout out to Stephen Harper for forcing me to learn how to spell that) has done is serve as a lightening rod for all the abuses that have accumulatively occurred over the course of the tenure of this government. Prorogation is always spoken about in isolation, where I see it as one part of a much larger narrative which basically shows contempt for foundations of democracy upon which this country is built.

    • Christian

      @Brian Finch, Excellent point, Brian! On my way home today I tuned in to CFRB. Whomever the talking head was, he was complaining that harper is being labeled a dictator, by some, and it wasn’t fair.

      His rebuttal was that we don’t have the military on our streets, we still have freedom of speech, and some other nonsense. But the point is, there is a pattern with this prime minister. At what point do we as citizens confront the threat to our democracy?

      When we reach those benchmarks set by the talking head? Or do we step up and put a stop to it now? I say we stop it now.

    • djn

      @Brian Finch, Yes, it’s an accomplishment to get 170,000 people in a facebook protest group. But it’s NOT the same as getting that many signatures on a petition. Do you have any idea how much work it takes to accomplish that? And precisely because it takes 170,000 potential one-on-one conversations, it’s potentially much more effective in engaging people in discussions, and fine-tuning your own views and argument in favour or against X.

      Petitions are a lost art because people think they don’t do anything, or think that facebook is the “new” petition. It’s not true. Petitions are incredibly valuable because they are the ultimate training tool for political activists and very very very good for meeting people and getting them involved.

      I was always amazed at university how student activists (mostly leftists) proclaiming to know every political argument under the sun could be stumped by the simplest of arguments produced by some average joe. It’s one thing to know book smarts or get in a long-winded theoretical conversation over whatever, but it’s quite another to know how to talk to people and convince them through speech, or at least stump them. Active engagement is a lost art in politics. Facebook is an excellent tool for political activism, but it’s no substitute for a real petition campaign.

      A real petition campaign is precisely what the CAPP movement needs. Facebook is the starting point, and I’m glad the streets are the next step. But there’s much more to do if this is going to have legs.

  • pale


    oops. That is not very polite of me.


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