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The electoral reformers aren’t disappearing quietly into the night.

If people were to listen to the Toronto Star editorial board and some of their columnists like Ian Urquhart, the defeat of the proposed MMP electoral reform in Ontario means those of us who believe that electoral reform is needed should all disappear and go away and stop talking about it, and the current system is just fine and dandy, and nothing needs fixing.

Well, Toronto Star and Ian Urquhart, my particular response is, we aren’t going to disappear into the night, and the current electoral system is definitely in need of fixing. Some proof of that are the following:

– When only 52% of eligible voters bother to show up to vote, that indicates a problem.

– When only 22% of eligible voters are able to vote for the Liberals and give them a majority government with 2/3 of the seats, that indicates a problem.

– When we see a study that indicates 3/4 of all political candidates in Ontario were male, and over 90% of them white, that indicates the system does nothing to promote our true diversity in this province, nor represents that diversity in the legislature.

With all that said, reform is definitely needed with the current system, whether or not some of our media folks want to close their eyes and refuse to acknowledge these problems are there and inherent in our current system, and getting worse, not better. Thus, it is with all this in mind that the former Liberals For MMP site is now re-vamping itself as Liberals For Electoral Reform.

We’re using the same URL address, but without stealing their thunder over there, (a more formal announcement comes on Monday about the group’s new focus) our aim will now be a more general goal that electoral reform is still needed, regardless of the Ontario outcome, and we as a group of Liberals who believe that to be the case will be fighting in other provinces of Canada and federally as well to bring much those much-needed reforms (whatever they might be) to our archaic electoral system. BC’s next referendum in 2009 is an obvious one to be aiming at specifically.

Just to repeat to the Toronto Star editorial board and the Ian Urquharts of this world, we aren’t going anywhere, and its a pretty sad commentary on this supposedly progressive paper when – despite opposing this particular model of MMP – the supposedly staid/centrist Globe and Mail comes out with an editorial that shows it’s much more progressive then the Star is on electoral reform.


6 comments to The electoral reformers aren’t disappearing quietly into the night.

  • I didn’t even know about those stats that’s shocking if it’s true. Wohw wouldn’t expect that in Ontario.

  • See, this has ALWAYS been your problem. You interpret electoral reform debates as ideological debates. Electoral reform is progressive, SMP is conservative? By what logic is this possible?

    Incidentally, I am looking forward to our upcoming BC-STV debate. We’ll have to show you Ontario electoral reformers how to get the job done, beginning with a far superior electoral system.

  • You guys are an inspiration.

  • [quote comment="9443"]Scott, I liked the proposed path to electoral reform that I read on one blog this morning.  Wish I could find that link now.[/quote]

    Glenn: That would be this post. I liked his format as well

  • Scott, I’m really glad to hear that an organized campaign for electoral reform will continue. I agree with all your points and I think the main reason only 52.8% of voters show up is that they feel that their vote doesn’t mean anything. With MMP every vote would matter.

    Glenn, the strategy you outlined does sound promising. I heard from a couple of people who opposed MMP only because the number of ridings would be decreased which could give even less representation to rural and large northern areas. So having a couple of flavours to choose from could make a huge difference.

  • Scott, I liked the proposed path to electoral reform that I read on one blog this morning.  Wish I could find that link now.  His proposal was about federal, but could easily be applied to Ontario.  Basically, it goes like this:
    – Hold a referendum, not during and election, in which the question is The Existing System vs A More Proportional  System.
    – Assuming that passes, form two citizens assemblies which will work in parallel and have nothing to do with one another.
    – Take the two proposals that result and have a referendum, again not during an election, on these two choices.

    I liked the suggestion.  It seems to satisfy the complaint that many people who voted no to MMP were people who wanted reform, but just did not like the one being offered.

    I think this is worth proposing to Liberals for Electoral Reform to see if they like the process enough to push for it.

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