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2 federalist parties DIDNT win in Quebec tonight, Antonio.

The #’s are still bouncing around on the last few seats, (Its currently 48 Libs, 41 ADQ, 36 PQ) but it’s more or less settled. It also does appear that as I said in the live-blogging last thread, Antonio of Fuddle-Duddle has correctly predicted that Charest with the help of the advance polls would come back … and he has been now declared re-elected by over 1000 votes.

Antonio has also said at his blog, despite his disappointment of the Liberal decimation, “2 federalist parties won”, and the PQ was decimated.

I agree with the 2nd part, I dont with the first part. Dumont has just said on the TV that “millions of autonomists have declared their voice”.

Autonomists? Autonomy? That doesnt sound federalist to me, Antonio.

As for the federal implications, Harper sent out massive amounts of money to Quebec to get Charest a majority, and it failed miserably. Now.. we have an “autonomist” Official Opposition and a very weak Liberal minority government. Of course, the pundits who were all saying before the election that a Charest majority government would help Harper win a majority are now saying that the ADQ in opposition with such votes.. helps Harper to win a majority! 🙄 Pundits.


13 comments to 2 federalist parties DIDNT win in Quebec tonight, Antonio.

  • garhane

    Would Mr. Harper wish to wake up and go to the mirror, for his daily confirmation, and find he is looking at Mario, much like himself 5 or 6 years ago. Might he wonder, what is going on here. Isn’t that how he looks. See how carefully he phrased it coming down the stone steps in the Parliament: (parphrased) We now have a government in Quebec that does not want a referendum, and an official opposition that does not want a referendum.
    Right, exactly right, and where does that leave him?
    Looking at a really creepy guy in the mirror.

  • [quote comment=”2836″]Autonomists? Autonomy? That doesnt sound federalist to me, Antonio.

    Are you basing your analysis of the Quebec election on how a word “sounds” to you?[/quote]

    And there’s the problem…. What does Dumont mean by ‘autonomy’? His definition to date has been very vague.

  • slg

    Dumont voted “yes” in the last referendum. Now, does this mean “not necessarily separation, but separation if necessary?


  • Autonomists? Autonomy? That doesnt sound federalist to me, Antonio.

    Are you basing your analysis of the Quebec election on how a word “sounds” to you?

  • Ha ha you picked up on that spin too…i was like pleeesssseee…must we try to spin this as a plus for Harper too. Why wasn’t the ADQ a plus for Harper before today? Sickening.

  • Mohamed

    Lets just say we have 2 non-separatist win in Quebec tonight. Also Harper has gotten a result, which can go a long way to helping him reach his majority. I know many Liberals will cringe when I say this but this can be interpreted as an endorsement of “open federalism”.

  • Daniel

    Harper may be happier about this result than some of you think; he still has Charest as premier, and has a socially and fiscally conservative party (the ADQ) as the official opposition, much of whose support comes from areas now held by the Bloc at the federal level.

    It isn’t a matter of Harper’s investment in Charest going bust (because it didn’t; Charest did fine enough and the PQ sputtered): it’s the matter of Quebec’s broader political shift – a shift that, by all accounts, is to the right – in which Stephen Harper will no doubt take tremendous glee.

    I’m not sure how these results will affect each federal party leader, but if one of them could be called a “winner” based on tonight’s results, it would probably be Stephen Harper.

  • Whatever form “autonomy” takes in the future, today it means not federalism or separatism. I don’t think that the ADQ strength should be interpreted as for or against Canada. In fact, it means the opposite. The old debates separatism/federalism have masked the real challenges facing Quebeckers about health care, the economy, the national debt etc. Any party that continues to insist in the near future on the bitter language conflict to hide its other agenda will be punished.

    Although strangely enough Harper may try something along those lines, Dion needs to stay away from this issue completely which I don’t think will be a problem. No one is interested right now.

    The days when the Liberal party sweep Quebec are long gone. Gone with the same pernicious attitude that the ADQ victory has killed tonight that all good quebeckers must vote the same way.

  • Hey Suzanne – guess what? Mario’s opinion matters “sweet fuck all” in the rest of the country. He may not be a separatist, but his politics, and his new found control of the political situation in Quebec will meet with varying reaction across the country.

  • Good question about the Bloc. I think Stephen Harper has momentum in certain parts of Quebec, among certain people. I think his low-key, “get things done”, no frills, no controversies approach is going over well with many Quebeckers. The thing about Stephen Harper is that he’s not trying to mould Quebckers into any one thing– epsecially not that Trudeauiste vision of Canada, which so many Quebcekers hate– not for its values so much as its arrogance. If Harper keeps it up, he could win more seats in the next election.

  • Marc

    It is still a good result, no matter what you say. The Liberals and the ADQ parties now hold more than 2/3 of the seats in the Quebec national assembly and PQ has been relegated to 3rd party status.

  • While a Charest majority would have been better for Harper, having a powerful ADQ and a Charest government is only going to make him hesitate slightly before calling a spring election. He’s going to hope that he can capitialise of the right-leaning ADQ vote, which may or may not have been a protest vote and may or may not be nationalist enough to go to the Bloc instead.

    If the Bloc is in trouble after the next election then we’ve seen a major shift in Quebec. Should we be making bets on what Gilles Duceppes future looks like?

  • Dumont is not calling for a new country– simply to have the federal government remain in its spheres of jurisdiction. If that’s not federalism, I don’t know what is.

    At any rate, he’s not a separatist. It’s a great day for Canadian unity.

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