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Membership breakdown at Prog Blog: Unaffiliateds the largest group.

Since everyone else is still posting Budget stuff today, I thought I’d be different and post on something a tad different this AM. We’ve had new moderators at Prog Blog recently as some of you know, and with that we’ve been attempting to clear up the backlog of applying blogs waiting to become members.Last night, I decided to take a look at the political breakdown of our blogs by seeing how many of them were members of specific political aggregates and those who weren’t, and there are some interesting numbers at Prog Blog:

Total # of blogs (as of Mar 20/07): 359

Approximate % of blogs at Prog Blog who are also Liblog blogs: 22.8%
Approximate % of blogs at Prog Blog who are also Blogging Dippers: 13.9%
Approximate % of blogs at Prog BLog who are also Green Bloggers: 7.5%
Approximate % of blogs who are unaffiliated with any political blogging group or non-partisan: 55.7%

A year ago, when I did the same count, the % of Libloggers was around 30%, so that number has dropped substantially since then (edit: the # has dropped because of more blogs from other affiliations or unaffiliated joining, not Liberal blogs abandoning the affiliation), and the # of unaffiliated blogs/non-partisan blogs has gone up. The Blogging Dippers percentage has also gone up as more blogs join both that group and ours. I note these #’s to some of those who believe Prog Blog is nothing more then a Liberal “shill” site or “Liblogs lite”. These show that not to be the case, and that is also reflected in the breakdown of staff at the site. Out of 7 moderators, the webmaster, and Wayne, the Chief Admin – a total of 9 people, you have but 2 self-identified Liblogs bloggers/Liberal Party members – myself and JJ from A Liberal In DC.

So again, any charge that we are somehow stacked with Liberals or that we pander to them at Prog Blog is simply untrue. I am actually pleased at the rise of numbers in the unaffiliated/non-partisan group, as well as the Blogging Dippers presence. The variety and different perspective it brings the aggregate/community is a good thing.

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13 comments to Membership breakdown at Prog Blog: Unaffiliateds the largest group.

  • [quote post=”354″]It’s not true. You never told me the reason why it was knocked off. Get your facts straight, will you?[/quote]

    I already said the reason it was removed.. if you want to play semantics with what I said that’s up to you, but I’m not playing the game further with you. As I said, if you don’t like the fact it was removed, write Wayne.. he gave approval to the removal of that post over that title.

  • The first message of yours got knocked off for the reasons I told you – your title for that article was considered “incendiary”, and with the approval of Wayne, I removed the post. If you have an issue with that, complain to Wayne.

    It’s not true. You never told me the reason why it was knocked off. Get your facts straight, will you?

    Free speech has its limits. You aren’t allowed to say anything you want out there (you’d get charged for yelling “fire!” in a crowded theatre if there was no fire, and you were saying it as a joke, and you’re not allowed to say any old thing we deem might be offensive to some or worse. That’s the way it is.

    Then explain to me how my title was as incendiary to shouting fire in a theatre.

    And stop trying to paint my motives for not listing the BLogging Tories who are amongst our group.

    If you want to be transparent about this, you should list everyone. By not doing so you suggest you’ve got something to hide.

    You really need to calm down and not get so serious about all this.. its ONLY a blogsite, after all.

    WTF! YOU purge MY posts and then claim that I’M too serious?
    How about starting to apply this reasoning yourself before purging/censoring?

  • Scott

    Thanks for posting the breakdown, because it makes the Liberal dominated criticism look ridiculous. And, for the record, I often vote for NDP and Green posts on progressive bloggers because we all have something to offer, partisanship aside.

  • [quote comment=”2602″]I told you the message title was incendiary at your site… after I did so.. I consulted with Wayne and it was agreed to remove it. Since you re-sent the message, you obviously figured out what had happened. And as I said, that resend was not prevented from coming on since the inflammatory/incendiary title was removed.

    This doesn’t explain why you would lie about “the fact” that you never told me why my post was purged.[/quote]

    I didnt lie to you about anything Erik. I told you the sequence of events as they happened. I told you at your own site the title post was incendiary. Thats your reason it was removed, period. end of story. Wayne agreed with my assessment of it. Take it up with Wayne if you dont like it. The fact is, your re-post got back on Prog Blog with a less incendiary title.

    [quote]
    Just explain to me how this relates to “If Liberals can’t see how conservative it is to limit free speech, then I think Liberals should leave ProgBlog, not the other way around!”; it really doesn’t.[/quote]

    Free speech has its limits. You aren’t allowed to say anything you want out there (you’d get charged for yelling “fire!” in a crowded theatre if there was no fire, and you were saying it as a joke, and you’re not allowed to say any old thing we deem might be offensive to some or worse. That’s the way it is.

    And stop trying to paint my motives for not listing the BLogging Tories who are amongst our group. I deemed them such a small percentage I didn’t bother listing them. I didnt bother listing the 1 or 2 sites that put themselves under the banner of the Progressive Canadian Party either, and as in the BT member’s case, it wasn’t out of spite. They were all part of the 0.1% “Other” category.. which I didnt originally mention. I have now. I apologize if those handful of blogs were sad that I didnt post their stats about them… I havent received complaints yet Erik.. so they cant be too grief-stricken about it.

    You really need to calm down and not get so serious about all this.. its ONLY a blogsite, after all.

  • Take it up with Wayne if you disagree Psychols – he’s the one who finalizes decisions like this.

    So much for democracy….

  • I told you the message title was incendiary at your site… after I did so.. I consulted with Wayne and it was agreed to remove it. Since you re-sent the message, you obviously figured out what had happened. And as I said, that resend was not prevented from coming on since the inflammatory/incendiary title was removed.

    This doesn’t explain why you would lie about “the fact” that you never told me why my post was purged.

    The vote was 5 -1 Erik.. part of that 5 included the Green Party Member, the lefty-leaning NDP voting member (who was the most ardent for removing him, by the way), plus an unaffiliated moderator.. All political representation voted to expel him, not just Liberal moderators.

    Just explain to me how this relates to “If Liberals can’t see how conservative it is to limit free speech, then I think Liberals should leave ProgBlog, not the other way around!”; it really doesn’t.

    You are a liberal; you voted against Robert McClelland; you found my post incendiary, unfit for ProgBlog. Censoring free speech (not hate speech) is more conservative/authoritarian than liberal. But if you (or Jason Cherniak) think you present liberal ideology, then you should leave ProgBlog, not me. Before making that step, you might want to consider removing “progressive” from the header of your own blog, and change it to “authoritarian”. Are you, after exposing Jason Cherniak, the next closet Conservative?

    Red Tory is a prog blogger and I read him all the time. I have him on my blogroll.

    Good point. Why was he not accounted for in Scott’s breakdown? Isn’t a fellow ProgBlogger affiliated to the current ruling party in Canada, not worthy mentioning? I didn’t see Blogging Tories 0.28%, or did I miss something?

  • [quote comment=”2599″]I did not assert that Erik’s post was purged. I mentioned to Erik that I could not find his post about the purging and asked him about it – not even close to the same thing. My exact words were:

    Was this post purged too Erik? I tried to vote for it on progblogs, but cannot find it there.
    [/quote]

    Well, send your clarification to Erik, not to I. It was he who said “And according to Psychols the same happened to my “Purging ist HOT”.” in the first comment on this site. I responded in that vein. He got it wrong, not I.

    [quote]In the same post I also expressed dismay at the purging of his original post. I was unaware, Scott, that you had become the editor in chief of this blog aggregator.[/quote]

    Well.. I’m the moderator-in-chief, Psychols.. close? 🙂

    Seriously, as I said, I informed Wayne of the post and my extreme discomfort with its title, and he agreed we should remove it. Take it up with Wayne if you disagree Psychols – he’s the one who finalizes decisions like this.

    If it reassures you at all, the moderators are at the present working together to present a “Code of Conduct” or a “Mission Statement” onto the site, so that it would help clarify things to our members what guidelines we operate under in determining membership and what we expect for good conduct of members..and what we dont tolerate and gets members into trouble. This would help I think in stopping the accusations of arbitrarily applying some rules, terms, conditions to some affiliates vs others.

  • I did not assert that Erik’s post was purged. I mentioned to Erik that I could not find his post about the purging and asked him about it – not even close to the same thing. My exact words were:

    Was this post purged too Erik? I tried to vote for it on progblogs, but cannot find it there.

    In the same post I also expressed dismay at the purging of his original post. I was unaware, Scott, that you had become the editor in chief of this blog aggregator.

    I am surprised that Tribe has started purging posts from an aggregator that calls itself progressive. Progblogs is going to become pretty sad if Tribe is the going to start approving posts. He lacks the wisdom.

    Perhaps a little harsh, but I believe that it is unfair and unwise to start censoring posts because they are supposedly “incendiary”. The term hardly applies. The title offered no call to harmful action or rebellion.

    Why was it banned? Do you believe that Erik’s post was libelous? Was it hate speech? Did it expose progblogs to legal liability? Unless the answer is yes, you are just imposing your values. You did not even have the courage to announce your censorship practices or to tell the blogger that you purged his post. Do you do this often?

    As I’ve said to you before, if you don’t like how the site is run Erik, you can either complain to Wayne about it (who is the boss of the place), or you’re free to leave the group and not be an affiliate anymore.

    WTF Scott? This is an aggregator for political and ideological blogs. Bloggers have opinions and share them. Is it surprising to you that bloggers would share their opinions about the politics at progblogs and their opinions about other affiliates? Is it surprising that the debate sometimes becomes heated?

    I am not among those who believe this to be a Liberal “shill” Site. I actually believe that this aggregator has the potential to add to the national debate by being a portal for progressive thinkers. If, however, you are now in the business of banning bloggers and censoring posts then the assertion that this is a progressive aggregator is suspect.

    Ya ya, I know you run the blog as you please Scott and Wayne owns the site, no need to repeat it.

  • Red Tory is a prog blogger and I read him all the time. I have him on my blogroll.

  • [quote comment=”2595″]< The first message of yours got knocked off for the reasons I told you – your title for that article was considered “incendiary”, and with the approval of Wayne, I removed the post. If you have an issue with that, complain to Wayne.

    This is simply not true. You never told me my message got knocked off.[/quote]

    I told you the message title was incendiary at your site… after I did so.. I consulted with Wayne and it was agreed to remove it. Since you re-sent the message, you obviously figured out what had happened. And as I said, that resend was not prevented from coming on since the inflammatory/incendiary title was removed.

    [quote post=”354″]If Liberals can’t see how conservative it is to limit free speech, then I think Liberals should leave ProgBlog, not the other way around![/quote]

    The vote was 5 -1 Erik.. part of that 5 included the Green Party Member, the lefty-leaning NDP voting member (who was the most ardent for removing him, by the way), plus an unaffiliated moderator.. All political representation voted to expel him, not just Liberal moderators.

    As for the Blogging Tories.. they are that 0.1% part that was left over. There are a handful of them. Nothing prevents them from applying, but there arent many Red Tories in the Blogging Tory group.. so its natural we wouldnt get a lot of applications from them.

  • 7 moderators make the decisions at Prog Blog and and Wayne has final authority and a veto on anything we act upon. 3 moderators have been added and 1 has left since that Myblagh vote and decision. Our webmaster does not normally vote on internal matters, but in that case, he did vote, so the 5 moderators at the time and the webmaster voted on it, and Wayne approved the decision.

    Well, let’s hope things change, because sofar it’s Libs that have been running the show.

    The first message of yours got knocked off for the reasons I told you – your title for that article was considered “incendiary”, and with the approval of Wayne, I removed the post. If you have an issue with that, complain to Wayne.

    This is simply not true. You never told me my message got knocked off.

    As for the second part, Psychols is incorrect – the resending of that post was NOT removed, because the title was fine. Don’t believe me? Type in “Purging” using the search function at Prog Blog and you’ll find the article is on the Prog Blog system. It didn’t stay long on the frontpage, but it certainly wasnt removed a 2nd time.

    Sorry, I didn’t check this; I’m glad to hear it’s still there.

    Main issue remains. Critisizing Liberals (or Jews, or both) is NOT DONE on ProgBlogs.

    As I’ve said to you before, if you don’t like how the site is run Erik, you can either complain to Wayne about it (who is the boss of the place), or you’re free to leave the group and not be an affiliate anymore.

    If Liberals can’t see how conservative it is to limit free speech, then I think Liberals should leave ProgBlog, not the other way around! If you or Jason Cherni-yak represent Liberalism on ProgBlog, then the time has come to have the debate if it is still proper to have any Liberals being part of ProgBlog.

    I find it discomforting to see that a large percentage of ProgBlog is Liberal when we all know there is a large body of NOT SO PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS part of the Liberal Party and part of ProgBlog. Yet, no Tory (consisting partly out of former Progressive Conservatives) is part of ProgBlogs? What’s that about?

    Frankly, the latest purges on Liblog and ProgBlog have made me believe that Liberals have no right to call themselves Progressive when their actions are clearly authoritarian/conservative of nature. Therefore I welcome the trend that has started on ProgBlog (Liberals down from 30 to 22.8 %). And we can only hope this number will be more comparable to the number of Blogging Tories on ProgBlogs soon.

  • 7 moderators make the decisions at Prog Blog and and Wayne has final authority and a veto on anything we act upon. 3 moderators have been added and 1 has left since that Myblagh vote and decision. Our webmaster does not normally vote on internal matters, but in that case, he did vote, so the 5 moderators at the time and the webmaster voted on it, and Wayne approved the decision.

    The first message of yours got knocked off for the reasons I told you – your title for that article was considered “incendiary”, and with the approval of Wayne, I removed the post. If you have an issue with that, complain to Wayne.

    As for the second part, Psychols is incorrect – the resending of that post was NOT removed, because the title was fine. Don’t believe me? Type in “Purging” using the search function at Prog Blog and you’ll find the article is on the Prog Blog system. It didn’t stay long on the frontpage, but it certainly wasnt removed a 2nd time.

    And as for the accusation we have a liberal bias, you’re dreaming, Erik. There is no such collusion. Believe it if you like, but the fact of the matter is that there are 2 Liberals amongst the 7 moderators. The rest are either Green, unaffiliated, feminist, or “lefties”, who lean/vote NDP. The webmaster is also a Green guy. Wayne as the head of the site is non-partisan.

    As I’ve said to you before, if you don’t like how the site is run Erik, you can either complain to Wayne about it (who is the boss of the place), or you’re free to leave the group and not be an affiliate anymore.

  • Yeah, whatever.

    I remember you calling a 5-1 decision to oust Robert McClelland. And now you’ve got 9 people running the show?
    By the way, are you still censoring messages? My “Liblogs purge of the week: Jewish blogger Jason Cherniak purges pro-Palestinian Blogger over ads” got innitially on ProgBlogs, but later dissappeared without notice. What’s that about? And according to Psychols the same happened to my “Purging ist HOT”.

    I don’t have problems with ProgBlogs being a liberal love fest, but pretending that ProgBlog does not have a Liberal bias while ousting those messages/blogs that critizise Liberals doesn’t really help, does it?

    Who am I (?) to dare to attack a fellow Lib!

    Ousting/Censoring might be HOT (or kewl) among Liberals, it isn’t progressive. If Liberals don’t see it that way, then what the heck are they doing here?

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