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Keep up the good work, Blogging Tories, spread that overconfidence in your ranks.

If you go to the Canadian Blog Exchange’s section on Stephane Dion, you’ll see in the most recent entries that most of the section has several posts where Blogging Tory hearts are all aflutter over the fact Dion had an interview with the Ottawa Citizen’s editorial board a couple of days ago, and 1 of their folks proclaimed him unfit to lead a University Department, let alone the country. I see other glowing references to Toronto Sun reporter Michael Coren’s attack on Dion’s English as well.

So, based on an interview with the Citizen and 1 guy’s opinion on Dion, (and worshipping wingnut Michael Coren on the side), most of the Blogging Tories think they have the next election sewn up. There are some dissenting voices to this, but I must say, it looks like an Indianapolis Colts victory party over there.

That’s fine. Let them think that all they want… Here’s why.

Dion has been underestimated as a politician over his career even worse then Harper has – by the Quebec separatists in the 90’s, and by his leadership rivals this past year. Every time, he has come out on top. I’ve said before that you underestimate Dion at your peril, so if our BT’ers want to think they have the next election in the bag, I’m perfectly content to let them think that. Overconfidence is a deadly thing in politics. Paul Martin learned that the hard way.

I would point out as an aside here that if Dion is as bad as all the BT’ers and some of their friends in the media say he is, it doesn’t say much for Harper or his bunch that they are either trailing in most polls or in a neck and neck race. That brings us to their smear attempts. We’ve seen it when they started an insidious whisper campaign questioning Dion’s loyalty to Canada over his dual French citizenship, and we can see it again from the attack ads and now attacks by certain Tory supporters the theme of what this next election will be; 1999-style Mike Harris attacks on McGuinty and the “not ready” or “unfit to be leader” smears. This isn’t surprising, since most of this bunch take their cues and worship the tactics of the Republicans in the US.

That didn’t work last election in the US, and I would offer up the opinion that it won’t work in Canada on Dion either. But, keep posting your delusions, BT’ers. It will be fun to keep the various quotes in buffer and re-post what was said when your party is back in Opposition, wondering what happened.

UPDATE: Idealistic Pragmatist – no Liberal supporter – listened to the tape of this interview the BTer’s are all so wild over and wonders what the fuss is all about, as to her it sounds like a typical interview Dion has given many times before.

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24 comments to Keep up the good work, Blogging Tories, spread that overconfidence in your ranks.

  • lrC

    >(Check the ď3 pillarsĒ platform he has.. it encompasses social policy as well as economic as well as environment – Dionís argument is they;re all tied in together)

    How low does your political self-esteem have to sink before you clutch non-specific political motherhood statements of principle as a “platform”?

  • Jon

    Scott,

    I have to agree with the blogging tories here. Comparing Cretien and Dion is probably not favourable to your cause either. Jean Chretien won his first majority because the country hated Mulrooney, this time there’s no hatred for Stephen Harper. He won the second and third because the centre-right and right votes were split between the PC and REF parties.

    Even if Dion and the media frame the next election on the environment, the CPC can call their bluff. Dion’s best card is reducing Canada’s GDP by 30% with Kyoto, which would cost $300B and millions of jobs… especially in Alberta. Is Dion willing to put National Sovereignty on the line for Kyoto? It may just come to it if the energy sector is the target for the cuts rather than commuting and the Windsor to QC superhighway of pollution. Why should Albertans expect that you say? Well, Dion will not screw with his target market, the status quo suburbia Liberal Belt in Ontario and Quebec.

    Whether his English is good enough is not what’s going to sink the grits in the next election. It will be a constant barrage of media from new media sources. Dion’s gaffes have had nothing to do with his bad English and everything to do with shaky policy.

  • kursk

    .Scott..please spare me.. the “three pillars”… if, they are as you say, part of one cohesive plan, and one pillar supports the other,then he is even more of a one trick pony.Yes, i will believe it because it is self evident.

    Stephane Dion is just another in a long line of left leaning social activists who would enact their corroded ideals on the populace whether they liked it or not.A liberal with “social justice” as a corner stone of a multifaceted policy is as expected as night following day.

    Every liberal in power in the last 40 years has used that old chestnutt, and it has grown old.A lot of Canadians neither want nor need the govt to run their lives for them.

    The next election will not be about the environment , nor any other smoke screen the liberals care to put forth.It will be a clash of ideas.Will we move forward and bring Canada into the 21st century with a dynamic strong vision of our place in the world?

    Or will we want to become the perpetual nanny state with weak individuals leading us,and dragging us back into a socialist quagmire of static policy, fence sitting, and moribund national outlook?

    If the liberals get back in,as bereft of ideas and as morally bankrupt as they are, you will see Canada slide into a morass that could cause the break up of this country.

    It is my prediction, as a believer in a strong purpose driven Canada, that Harper will win the next election, handily.

    Bank and archive that if you like. Time will tell.

  • [quote comment=”1341″][quote comment=”1337″]Build up an image of Dion as unable to speak English, lower voter expectations, and then have the entire country be impressed when they inevitably hear Dion on the news and in election ads, and his English is perfectly competent, if somewhat accented.[/quote]

    You’re kidding, right? The CPC doesn’t have to do diddly to set that image. That interview should be made an example in ESL classes. “How not get your point across in 60 easy minutes.” by Stephane Dion. 1 in 4 words . . . maybe, understandable.

    He talks like that in Western Canada, and dare I say, most of Ontario or the Maritimes, and he’s toast. We’re just as picky as Quebec when it comes to our language.

    The result is that we won’t see Dion past the TO-Mtl-Quebec corridor. It’ll be Belinda, Kennedy, Rae and Iggy campaigning for him.

    Cheers,
    lance[/quote]

    Right on, Lance, his English is way “out” there. He mangles words, makes up words that don’t even exist in English, and on and on and on.

  • I think I already answered most of it. I’ve heard Dion speak before – and I’ve talked to the man in person (briefly at the Liberal convention). His personality comes out a lot better in person then on TV or in interviews, and I think that’s been seen in his speeches he’s made to people already and it will be seen on the campaign trail (notwithstanding the partisan Tory takes on his speaking in this thread and elsewhere).

    IF you guys want to smear his leadership skills over his accented English… fire away. I think it’ll be extremely counterproductive- this is the electorate after all that gave Jean Chretien (a worse speaker in English then Dion IMO) 3 majorities.

  • Scott,

    You gave me a second chance (generously, by the way), and then didn’t respond. What gives?

    :em36:

  • slg

    Whoops, forgot to mention the American pundits name – Joe Klein and is regarded as one the cleverest American political minds.

  • slg

    :em19:

    The BT’s don’t even know they are being put down by Harper. American political pundit/journalist (very, very respected) has said that the whole campaign by the Bush admin. (Frank Luntz/Karl Rove, et al) is based on treating you like you’re stupid. He has a book out about it.

    I watched Luntz in an interview and his advice – keep priorities simple, appeal to the moms (in the U.S. security moms, in Canada, hockey moms), keep up talk about corruption and of course, true or not, try to trash the opponent (seems truth isn’t important to these guys).

    All in all, Harper is saying Canadians are “stupid” and I’m planning my policies by the polls and minimal priorities because we’re suppose to be too dumb to handle more.

    Well, Mr. Harper, not all Canadian are stupid and those who let him manipulate them by treating them like idiots don’t deserve to vote. Vote for a man who is insulting each and every day doesn’t make sense.

  • Hi Jason:

    Yes, the Blogging Tories are in fine form today.

    Kursk: IF you guys think that Dion is a one trick pony.. keep thinking that as too. You’re in for a shock (Check the “3 pillars” platform he has.. it encompasses social policy as well as economic as well as environment – Dion’s argument is they;re all tied in together)

    As for me, I’ve already gone on record at Andrew’s site (Bound By Gravity) as saying Dion will win the next election.

  • [quote comment=”1327″]This isnít surprising, since most of this bunch take their cues and worship the tactics of the Republicans in the US.

    It doesn’t help your argument here to add a knee-jerk U.S. comparison here. Two words, Howard Dean. [/quote]

    It’s hardly a ‘knee-jerk US comparison’, dinosaur.
    Who do you think produced the recent anti-Dion negative ads for the CPC?

    Take a look: Mclaughlin & Associates –

    It’s Karl Rove’s favourite ad agency! From their own profile

    His political clients have included Governors, Senators, Congressmen, Mayors and elected officials across the nation including Arnold Schwarzenegger, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, and many current and former U.S. Senators, including John Thune, John Warner, George Allen, Richard Lugar, Richard Shelby, Jeff Sessions, Jesse Helms, Connie Mack, Al D’Amato, Don Nickles, and Gordon Humphrey.

    McLaughlin & Associates has done polling and strategy for 21 sitting members of Congress. In 1996 and again in 2000, John McLaughlin worked as the campaign pollster and a consultant for Republican Presidential candidate, Steve Forbes. He has advised the Republican National Committee, the Republican Senatorial Committee, and the Republican Governors Association.

    And gee, are there no Canadian advertising agencies worthy of creating and producing Harpo’s smears? Guess not when it’s easier to send Canadian money to American firms.

    (Edited by me to correct the link problem you had Frank. I removed your corecting comment as a result – Scott)†

  • You have to stop transmitting on the Tory tinfoil hat frequency, Scott ūüėČ

  • kursk

    …and on a more serious note..Scott, i don’t think the Tory bloggers believe that they have the election won, but i do think that they are starting to realise, as is the media, that Dion is a one trick pony and can be defined as such.

    You have asked earlier, are the conservatives trying to deflect and change the channel from the environment.I think you have to ask yourself when the liberals became climate zealots? If this is your strategy and platform for the next election, God help you.Since Dion has been leader of the Liberal party, we have heard nothing but the environment.Perhaps it is the liberals who want the channel changed to divert the attention from many of their shortcomings..

    It may be rough out there in the realpolitik that is Canadian governance, but are the methods used to negatively portray Dion and liberals in general worse than those used against conservatives over the years?

    Worse than defining Day as a religious half wit?, worse than trying to instill fear amongst Canadians that conservatives would enact socially draconian and retrograde ant-abortion laws, or restrict access?

    Worse than painting the current PM as “un-Canadian” because he did not worship at the alter of statist liberalism?

    Hardly..

  • Scott,

    I disagree – Conservatives are well known for using the same consultants the Republicans do – and theyíve shown they arenít above using the same tactics.

    Sure, and by the same token, are the Liberals willing to use attack ads. So, by the same token, are the Democrats. They all use the same “tactics”, with both the Democrats and the Republicans being more vicious than the Conservatives and Liberals. So what’s your point, other than that you don’t like Republicans or Conservatives, which really isn’t a point at all.

    And what the hell! I went on a long, Scott-esque diatribe, and lost it. I’ll try again:

    Iíve said before that you underestimate Dion at your peril, so if our BTíers want to think they have the next election in the bag, Iím perfectly content to let them think that. Overconfidence is a deadly thing in politics. Paul Martin learned that the hard way.

    The good news is, that the BTs themselves will have absolutely no affect on the outcome of any future election, let’s be honest here. So their overconfidence won’t have the dire effects you propose. If Harper starts underestimating Dion, then there may be a problem…

    Finally, did you listen to the interview, or just read a pro-conservative columnist and reject the opinion out of hand? If you listen to the interview, and draw the conclusion that this is the Liberal leader who is able to inspire English Canadians with his passion and clarity of vision, to the degree necessary to win the next election, that’s fine. We’ll agree to disagree.

    As ever, :em36:

  • [quote comment=”1337″]Build up an image of Dion as unable to speak English, lower voter expectations, and then have the entire country be impressed when they inevitably hear Dion on the news and in election ads, and his English is perfectly competent, if somewhat accented.[/quote]

    You’re kidding, right? The CPC doesn’t have to do diddly to set that image. That interview should be made an example in ESL classes. “How not get your point across in 60 easy minutes.” by Stephane Dion. 1 in 4 words . . . maybe, understandable.

    He talks like that in Western Canada, and dare I say, most of Ontario or the Maritimes, and he’s toast. We’re just as picky as Quebec when it comes to our language.

    The result is that we won’t see Dion past the TO-Mtl-Quebec corridor. It’ll be Belinda, Kennedy, Rae and Iggy campaigning for him.

    Cheers,
    lance

  • kursk

    Lizt says..
    “Dion does not have the ego of Harper, his pals and bloggers.”

    You believe that do you? the self professed saviour of Canada and architect of Kyoto? :em62:

  • Olaf claimed:

    [quote comment=”1336″]
    First, Dinosaur makes a good point. Great even. You on the left really have to get over your Canadian conservatives = US republicans = necessarily bad hangup. The US has more personal and vicious attack ads than in Canada, Republicans and Democrats both.[/quote]

    I disagree – Conservatives are well known for using the same consultants the Republicans do – and they’ve shown they aren’t above using the same tactics. The 2nd point is that this is a side issue to what I was primarily writing about – which is the BT’ers are an overconfident lot, and I hope they continue to think the way they do (and I hope their Party thinks the same way). For Dinosaur and now you to completely ignore that part of the argument is telling… unless of course you were going to make that point below:

    [quote]
    Second: Iíve said before that you underestimate Dion at your peril, so if our BTíers want to think they have the next election in the bag, Iím perfectly content to let them think that. Overconfidence is a deadly thing in politics. Paul Martin learned that the hard way.[/quote]

    I’m presuming you had another point to make but accidentally hit “Submit” :em32:
    Feel free to come back and finish your thought.

  • This strikes me as the sort of thing that could easily backfire for the Tories. Build up an image of Dion as unable to speak English, lower voter expectations, and then have the entire country be impressed when they inevitably hear Dion on the news and in election ads, and his English is perfectly competent, if somewhat accented. It’s not as if people won’t get to hear his voice at some point – this strikes me as a very risky gambit.

  • Scott,

    First, Dinosaur makes a good point. Great even. You on the left really have to get over your Canadian conservatives = US republicans = necessarily bad hangup. The US has more personal and vicious attack ads than in Canada, Republicans and Democrats both.

    Second: Iíve said before that you underestimate Dion at your peril, so if our BTíers want to think they have the next election in the bag, Iím perfectly content to let them think that. Overconfidence is a deadly thing in politics. Paul Martin learned that the hard way.

  • Yes, its been pointed out elsewhere that this guy is a fairly sympathetic columnist to the Tories.. so his column should hardly be earth-shattering news. I guess the BT’ers are trying to change the channel from the Environment, or it was a boring news-week for them.

  • Randall Denley, The Ottawa Citizen

    Published: Sunday, January 22, 2006

    “I’m certainly not telling you to vote Conservative, but for the reasons above, I’ll be putting an X beside the name of my local Conservative tomorrow.”

  • Having been a regular reader of the Petfinder when I lived in O-Town, I often question their editorial board’s ability to put out a newspaper. Except for Tony Cote’s consumer columns, they weren’t worth the fifty cents.

  • Dion does not have the ego of Harper, his pals and bloggers.

  • Dionosaur

    This isnít surprising, since most of this bunch take their cues and worship the tactics of the Republicans in the US.

    It doesn’t help your argument here to add a knee-jerk U.S. comparison here. Two words, Howard Dean. Dion had a bad week but they won’t all be so bad for him in the future. My big thing is, how exactly is Dion different from Elizabeth May?

  • They remind me of all the people who kept saying Harper was unelectable.

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